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Just FYI, items shipped to the US from other countries valued at less than $800US do not pay tariffs.

I am under the impression declarations/value above $800 are held by the US postal/shipping company. At that point the US citizen pays the tariff(s) to the US postal/shipping company. Hopefully, this helps some people budget.


Rant/proceed with mouth foaming: everyone gets a global recession for Christmas 2025! horde your gold! the A3000 trades higher than bitcoin! blah! blah! blah!
 
Just a friendly reminder to @ALL., before this conversation gets too carried away. It's fine to chat about the tariffs/shipping cost but, no political comments or general price discussions- they will be removed. (y)
 
FYI - US is ending the de minimis provision of $800 USD on May 2nd for goods manufactured in China and Hong Kong and includes goods manufactured there and coming from another country. Canadian media is warning Canadian on-line businesses of the issue as many service US destination with China/Hong Kong manufactured goods/product content and/or operate on US market places to sell those goods.

A White House fact sheet said small packages of Chinese products sent through the international postal network will be subject to a duty rate of either 30% of their value or $25 per item, an amount that will increase to $50 per item after June 1.

No more cheap skirts: Trump ends tax exemption for low-value Chinese imports

A notice to customers dazzled by the low-priced products on Chinese shopping apps: the days of getting trendy clothing, tools and gag gifts that cost less than lunc…
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My hope is that the rest of the world will give a giant middle finger to the US owned social media companies for starters. Take their stupid valuations down 10X. I actually hope some countries have the balls to just either ban them or tariff them. It is high time to takes this time-consuming algo-poison down a notch. BIGLY.

That's my 2 cents.

P.S. Bravo EU with the $1 Billion fine on X...for starters. After all, aren't they delivering the digital ad-spam profitable content within the boarders of foreign nations? That's tariff-able! That's taxable! That's finable!
 
MHO is: these us citizens will NEVER get it.
"MAGA" doesn't exist and never was! AMERICA is soooo much more than USofA. Since the days of R.Reagan MAGA is still a HOAX.
 
YouKnowWho said:
My hope is that the rest of the world will give a giant middle finger to the US owned social media companies for starters. Take their stupid valuations down 10X. I actually hope some countries have the balls to just either ban them or tariff them. It is high time to takes this time-consuming algo-poison down a notch. BIGLY.

That's my 2 cents.

P.S. Bravo EU with the $1 Billion fine on X...for starters. After all, aren't they delivering the digital ad-spam profitable content within the boarders of foreign nations? That's tariff-able! That's taxable! That's finable!
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A similar thing actually happened right before the start of the Great Depression. US tariffs on incoming goods were ratcheted up, then most large nations made their own group pact for trade and tariffs against the US. In US economics this is known as one of the worst plans/re-actions to stimulating the US economy and accelerated the downward spiral in 1928(ish).

Do I think another depression is going to happen? No. Recession? Maybe. My bigger worry is that US isolation leads to more Putin aggression in Europe. China Xi then sees the US ignoring this and responds with a Taiwan invasion. While still valuable, the world has moved on from oil being the 'world's gold'. Technology is the new 'world's gold'. And, oh, Taiwan produces most of that.

Just a geo-political opinion.
 
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@RetroNinja - you're spot on. But I think we're headed for a large asset deleveraging event soon that will be depressionary.
Mark your calendars:

2025 - 40th Anniversary of Amiga
2029 - 100th Anniversary of Great Depression
 
Something had to give.

I could order an item / small parcel from china / aliexpress etc that would travel by air / ship / train / truck etc etc for free or for very little

I can’t send a birthday card in the uk to my next door neighbour for less than 87p or 1st class stamp ( just the stamp on its own no envelope or parcel) £1.70

How can uk business’s compete with that. Something had to change and bring sales back to local companies
 
Agreed the position of China being a poor developing country deserving shipping advantages is decades overdue and needed to stop IMO. But politicians be politicians.
 
Sardine said:
Something had to give.

I could order an item / small parcel from china / aliexpress etc that would travel by air / ship / train / truck etc etc for free or for very little

I can’t send a birthday card in the uk to my next door neighbour for less than 87p or 1st class stamp ( just the stamp on its own no envelope or parcel) £1.70

How can uk business’s compete with that. Something had to change and bring sales back to local companies
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But will business return to local companies? Why would I order from a local retailer if I can 'go direct' to China/Aliexpress and get the same thing for 30% less, using the same sourcing as my local retailer? There's little local manufacturing and little support to develop it.

Businesses can't plan with a 4yr political party cycle (in US). While I recognize my slant (I love electric cars), I still believe 100% that electric cars are the near term future (10-15yrs). This means all countries need to invest in their infrastructure of upgrading their grid, more charging stations, funding R&D labs for battery tech, etc. One administration says we're going all in now to make our future better. The next administration decides to kill all of that funding thinking it is a waste. These are jobs that, generally, can't be outsourced.

As mentioned, politicians be politicians.
 
At the end of the day the world doesn't revolve around one man sitting behind a desk armed with a jumbo Sharpie and signing executive orders.

Even though he likes to think it does ...
 
RetroNinja said:
But will business return to local companies? Why would I order from a local retailer if I can 'go direct' to China/Aliexpress and get the same thing for 30% less, using the same sourcing as my local retailer? There's little local manufacturing and little support to develop it.

Businesses can't plan with a 4yr political party cycle (in US). While I recognize my slant (I love electric cars), I still believe 100% that electric cars are the near term future (10-15yrs). This means all countries need to invest in their infrastructure of upgrading their grid, more charging stations, funding R&D labs for battery tech, etc. One administration says we're going all in now to make our future better. The next administration decides to kill all of that funding thinking it is a waste. These are jobs that, generally, can't be outsourced.

As mentioned, politicians be politicians.
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Exactly! China's advantage has been the ability to plan strategically over horizons of decades, no election cycles there. The West's inability to come up with a coherent response to that, in ways that are in keeping with our democratic ideals, has brought about knee-jerk policies pandering to losing constituencies and predictably contributing to misery for all. Cut your nose to spite your face-kinda tariffs is a case in point. Tariffs could make sense as part of a long-term response that includes a coherent strategy (e.g. complementary policies for skills, tax breaks, public procurement etc etc) but nothing including the words 'coherent' and 'long-term' seem likely at present, not just in the US but elsewhere in the West too.
 
Electric cars are not the future ( in my opinion due to the current manufacturing processes especially toxic batteries that if looked after might last 10yrs before needing replacing and/or recycling ) with current tech ( and I drive an ID Buzz ), Japan has had on trial for just over a year now a Hydrogen combustion car ( not the electric energy cell they had years ago ) . it runs on a standard but modified combustion engine so that minor modifications can be done to existing combustion engines to allow the use of hydrogen.

unlike its electric hydrogen cell counterpart the emissions are not water but due to the use of Oil etc MUCH MUCH better than standard diesel or petrol engines and 2/3 of the earth is covered in H2O , hydrogen is the most common element anywhere.

scraping the hydrogen from water has always been difficult but if the tech is refined then hydrogen could be the future not these toxic batteries at the expense of lithium mines.

Electric cars also need to be charged, not ALL electric is green you would be very naive to think it is and I'm with Octopus energy who claim all my electric is fully green, but it cant be there just isn't enough to go around or am i wrong ?? I would like to think I'm charging my electric Buzz with green energy no fossil fuel at all ..

Then we get on to the above post,, we aren't ready. the infrastructure just isn't there, not enough charging points, not enough energy to charge the millions of cars each day/night it would be like coronation street all over again the power company's bracing for 8:15pm for the ad break when 20 million people put the kettle on, imagine 30+ million electric cars all drawing 7kw+ even if staggered of many hours the system just couldn't cope. then there is all the family's that have no driveways, rented accommodation , flats, city centers, how do they charge ? dangle a wire across the street ??



Then the Elephant in the room.. MONEY..

you think all that fuel duty wont be replaced with higher tax on eclectic cars ?? its already happening in the UK, road tax is no longer free from this month for electric cars because NO one is make an electric car for under 40k ( the stupid threshold the government KNOWLINGLY made unless we all drive mini's ), 5% vat on electric wont stay at 5% , then there is insurance, quite a few companies now are refusing house insurance if you charge or park an electric car in your driveway, this is true just google "machmaster" he cant get house insurance and had a letter to say as long as he parks his electric car at his house they wont cover him. Madness.


I love my ID Buzz, it's brilliant, ( currently on holiday in Wales with it ) workls out 3p/mile to run on cheap rate overnight electric and I would hope I'm making a difference to the environment but a dark cloud of the manufacturing of the Buzz, the battery and if my electric supply is as green as they say it is )
 
@Sardine

BYD will sell you an electric car (Dolphin) for under 30k according to their website.

Far too rich for my blood, so I'll keep on running a petrol car for the foreseeable future.
 
miggymad said:
@Sardine

BYD will sell you an electric car for under 35k according to their website.

Far too rich for my blood, so I'll keep on running a petrol car for the foreseeable future.
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Ha! Now you're just trolling :):):)

Allow me to save people from foaming at the mouth and banging on their keyboards...
  • How much with the tariff?
  • Wait, isn't purchasing low cost/import goods what got us to this point?
  • Wait, you want to increase import manufacturing/market share?
  • insert your random outrage here
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Armchair rant mode ON:LOL::

I drive electric too and firmly believe the foreseeable future of cars is electric. On a full cost of ownership base their cost is already lower than smokey cars and likely to continue falling. They are, by a far, the most environmentally friendly powertrain that is technologically feasible to mass produce, and are a lot safer than hydrogen. And there are clear paths to addressing their remaining two major problems, i.e. large upfront cost of acquisition (economies of scale by producing more of them) and range (better energy density in batteries, faster charging, better infrastructure).

All the arguments you often hear against the future belonging to electric cars are static and crucially depend on immature technologies whose future is uncertain. However, the long-term adoption of EVs has been statistically explained for years by dynamic positive feedback between investment and predictably improved performance. Source: the preponderance of academic and modelling literature that underpins large investment decisions, and China's hugely successful public policies in that area over a space of 2+ decades.

I have seen no reason why we shouldn't expect these trends to continue, resulting in improved battery sustainability, availability of renewable energy, battery energy density/range, charging infrastructure, cost, greater availability, more competition and better support services such as repair, insurance etc.

The same economics literature says that until a technology is mass produced, you cannot predictably expect it to catch on.

Yes there will be a role for other powertrains and energy vectors, such as hydrogen or synthetic fuel, but if current trends persist, these will be fringe uses, much like Linux and FreeBSD in a world of Android, PCs and Macs.

Of course if current trends don't persist, then anything could happen. And I suppose in the very long run we know *for sure* these trends won't persist, but equally for sure, cannot say when or what will be the disruption. That's the innovation curse.
 
buying an electric car is in my opinion a fools errand.

Lease is the way to go,

ID Buzz ( my spec lots of extras and had to get the 2 tone paint ) 64k, ( with servicing admittedly only required at 2yrs ) if purchased after 3 years maybe worth 40k if low miles and looks like new. ( no kids ?? get a Buzz cargo and out fit it 39k or less for basic model, many converting the cargo to campers, and Version 2 of the Buzz is several inches longer with dual motors and an extra 85hp)

that's a 24k drop and you then own a 3 yr old buzz that will keep loosing value while your battery health also degrades.

or lease, after deposit and registration works out 18k over 3 years with a 10k / yr mileage, ( 8p / mile over 30k which is still less expensive than fuel at 17p / mile VW Transporter T32 )

I then re-lease another NEW buzz new battery 0 miles etc etc for another 18k,, win win.???


about keeping petrol cars,,,, Unless the current people in charge are booted out and stop brown nosing the EU it will be made very difficult to keep a petrol/diesel car on the road.

Simple thing like availability of parts, stricter MOT laws, heavier taxation, less demand of fuel stations and raising of fuel costs, no go zones and higher road charges are just a few tools in the idiots in charge that can force/push people to electric .
 
I agree electric is the way to go but..........

Until a safer / cheaper / better / non toxic ( this is important I don't want to see children mining for your battery in deadly environments just so we can feel good in are non polluting electric cars ) there is no future in electric until this is sorted out, there has to be something less toxic and better than lithium..


my 2nd car ( wife drives ) is a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, its getting on now( 9 yrs old ) , battery is at 66% health but still manages to do the school run on pure battery but not in the winter.
Wife loves it.
 
RetroNinja said:
Ha! Now you're just trolling :):):)
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Yep, the BYD UK website is a sure troll haven ;)

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