Why no new accelerators?

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I don't mind fpga solutions but they should have or be able to use the Amiga keyboard / mouse and possible the floppy drive too.

The minimum would be keyboard / mouse so we could fit them in to our Amiga cases.

If not we'll end up with note book pcs runnin winuae in A500 cases in years to come ..

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Nope no positive posts really
 
Just buy an FPGA Replay board

Cheap to buy
It's got built-in acceleration
modern day memory
it's upgradable
small footprint
Can run all Amiga software in ADF format so no need for WHDLoad
Eject the SD card, slot in a new one with a different core and hey presto, it's a C64 or whatever other cores are available.

Sorry Jens, I know you've done loads for the community but unless you are willing to run your products off in larger than usual batches, people will begin to look elsewhere. Natami and Replay seem to be the modern day equivalents of the Amiga range and at present, I believe thats the way the future lies.




ive heard bits and peices about the natami but only seen"pictures"of the hardware,i went off the idea when someone said it had no fpu.
 
I don't mind fpga solutions but they should have or be able to use the Amiga keyboard / mouse and possible the floppy drive too.

The minimum would be keyboard / mouse so we could fit them in to our Amiga cases.

If not we'll end up with note book pcs runnin winuae in A500 cases in years to come ..

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Nope no positive posts really



lol surely you mean in an A1200 case?:lol:
 
Oh was it a 1200 :-)

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Why would the natami need an fpu? It's already much faster than a real Amiga? Although I'm unsure what the 060 speed is...
 
I'm dreaming about building a new accelerator 68060@95 rev6 with DDR2, but I don't have the full knowledge today...

What is your favorite name ? The Destroyer ? The Ultimate ? The Razorback ? The Revenge ? The Punisher ?


Anyone here to help me ?

I'd love to help you but I don't think you have the ten years I'd need to be brought up to speed in electronics :)
 
I wonder if jens will develop faster accelerators ?
 
Any positive posts ?


it is difficult to be positive on this topic.

would i like the Amiga platform to become a world leader once more? HELL YES!!

is it going to happen? no, it will remain a hobbiests machine with an ever dwindling community (once we have passed not many of our siblings will continue the trend, a few will but not many)
 
I wonder if jens will develop faster accelerators ?



you would still be limited to the speed of the base cpu in question,faster than what? current 68k or ppc parts maybe.

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Any positive posts ?


it is difficult to be positive on this topic.

would i like the Amiga platform to become a world leader once more? HELL YES!!

is it going to happen? no, it will remain a hobbiests machine with an ever dwindling community (once we have passed not many of our siblings will continue the trend, a few will but not many)



true,the amigas's on what?the 3rd or 4th generation of user's now.
 
Faster than 030 I mean and yes the Amiga will never be a world beating platform if in truth it ever was, sadly with commodore management.they would kill the golden goose and think nothing of it.

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at the moment , the Amiga stands up well where games are concerned. After all angry birds could be an aga games. Prince of Persia is on the iPhone and so on but in a few years that will change. The Amiga will be left way behind when compared to any platform , even mobile...

We need new stuff! New hardware that's quick
 
Faster than 030 I mean and yes the Amiga will never be a world beating platform if in truth it ever was, sadly with commodore management.they would kill the golden goose and think nothing of it.



i hope so,but in the same tone. no its not likely is it really.

you would have to go by how much someone is willing to pay for such a device to even consider it.judging by this thread alone he or anyone else thinking about it wouldent do it,probably.
 
@Cosmos
Positive post coming up.

Community development projects. :grouphug:

For your consideration.
This is how I would see this working.

Any member of the forum can suggest a piece of hardware to be designed.

Any member can take up the project request.

Any member can submit their code, schematics and/or documentation to the project as long as it complies with the rules.

Multiple submissions would be considered for the best implementation. Also multiple projects may have parts of those projects combined into a 'best of' implementation.

For continued development support as long as the member complies with Rule 1 the community would continue to support and advise on the development. Must comply with the other rules aswell.

Rule 1:
All code, schematics and documentation must be released at regular intervals, whether the code, schematics and documentation are ready or not. That is even if the code is non functioning, the schematics are incomplete or the documentation is only partial and still needs to be proofread.

Basically, you release what you've got, say every week for the first four weeks then every four weeks after that.

This is to promote trust in those providing the technical help etc.

Rule 2:
The license the code, schematics and documentation are released under should allow anybody to do what they want with it so long as their project complies with the following criteria.

a.) The using project can only use the code, schematics and documentation if the using project is non-commercial.

b.) The using project can only use the code, schematics and documentation if the using project is an open project.

c.) The using project can only use the code, schematics and documentation if the using project does not restrict other open projects from integrating the using project into other open projects .

d.) The using project can release the component parts of their project (code, schematics and documentation ) under a different license only so long as the using project's license complies with and does not infringe on Rule 2c.

e.) Projects from other sources may not be intergrated into community projects without the original developers permission and only if that project complies with all the licensing rules.

f.) All community members must agree to not tell the authorities that these projects have not gone through the CE or FC process. ;)

Rule3:
Commercial exemption is only provided by the community under the following criteria.

a.) A price is set for 'kit builders' and 'fully assembled product builders' by the community. 'kit builders' and 'fully assembled product builders' would be allowed to make a profit which would be set by the community.
Too low and no one will build kits or assemble full products.
Too high and no one will buy it.

b.) 'kit builders' and 'fully assembled product builders' must provide samples to selected (community voted) testers for quality and safety checking before they would be permitted to become a 'kit builder' or a 'fully assembled product builder'.

C.) 'kit builders' and 'fully assembled product builders' can only sell Kits and assembled products within this community, due to Rule 2f

Rule4:
All final decisions would be made by a community council, voted in by the community.
Any member of the forum would have the right to call for a full community vote on the grounds that the community council's decision is not complying with the rules of the Community development projects.

Rule5: No member may pass wind while discussing projects on the forum. OK, so I'm running out of ideas for rules. :roll:

I would volunteer to do any documentation for the projects, assuming I got voted in as a documenter. I would also be willing to drive this idea. That is being the central point for communication and status reports, at least until you find someone better.

[Disclaimer] I am a meat popsicle. As such I know zip about electronics. When I do (say in about 10years) I'll take this on.:p
Unless you really want this to happen now, I'm in.
 
If I was going to add extra silicon to my Amiga at very least it should have 060 & PPC properties even if its emulated by a faster dedicated processor, then it should have proper support/instructions for Mutiple Audio and Video streams and if that was not enough it should have memory and storage controllers, The memory must be able to address 4Gb at the very least and the IO should be USB,SATA, insert the next big thing here... Being able to tidie up and make the tea would be nice as well but I feel these are my basics before I`d consider a new Amiga Accelerator
 
ok, but "what if" someone had been working on such a project for years?,
whoever worked on such a device would/might not be willing to give up years of work to give it away to the comunity.

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If I was going to add extra silicon to my Amiga at very least it should have 060 & PPC properties even if its emulated by a faster dedicated processor, then it should have proper support/instructions for Mutiple Audio and Video streams and if that was not enough it should have memory and storage controllers, The memory must be able to address 4Gb at the very least and the IO should be USB,SATA, insert the next big thing here... Being able to tidie up and make the tea would be nice as well but I feel these are my basics before I`d consider a new Amiga Accelerator



nice thought but..........i think that would seriusly hit even the deepest of pockets:lol:
 
was thing about that MadAngus and was wondering how you would be able to make money with that model, cos at the very least u need to pay your emploies ??

well if we are going have something we might as well have the best
 
was thing about that MadAngus and was wondering how you would be able to make money with that model, cos at the very least u need to pay your emploies ??

well if we are going have something we might as well have the best



well if it goes community,the wouldent be any employees you would do it for free.from home maybe.if there willing.maybe.
 
im sorry,it may sound harse but "if" someone had worked on a project of this type for 4-5 years they probably wouldent release anything conserning there work.
even a picture of said device,i wouldent.


with that said ill leave it there.
 
I would certainly love an accelerator for my miggy. I had to sell the Blizzard 030 I bought a while ago.

I missed out on a new ACA/56 and ACA/28 and nobody seems to want to part with theirs now (can't imagine why!).

There are not that many people with both the skill and the wherewithall to create a new accelerator, no matter if it's based on real Motorola chippery, slightly compatible knock-offs (Coldfire), incompatible CPU's that can emulate (PowerPC) or an FPGA of some kind.

Yes, it would be nice to keep our A1200's going and to be able to plug in new devices to give them extra life, but the 50-year view is going to have to be that we rely more and more on emulation rather than continually being able to preserve original hardware.

These things may be built like brick outhouses, but they aren't going to last forever!
 
I'm dreaming about building a new accelerator 68060@95 rev6 with DDR2, but I don't have the full knowledge today...

What is your favorite name ? The Destroyer ? The Ultimate ? The Razorback ? The Revenge ? The Punisher ?


Anyone here to help me ?


How about....?


"The COSMOS"


Cosmos Processing Unit (CPU)


You have to take some credit if you manage to do this and put your name on the product so that history and Wiki will remember you. :thumbsup:
 
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