1200ng or Miss1200?

[sharpied79]

I'm debating between these two.

I like the fact the 1200NG has floppy drive capability built in but ultimately it's software emulation and I already have that.

The Miss1200 looks great, a single board solution using FPGA so more like original hardware.

Both able to use original keyboard as well but the Miss1200 doesn't have native floppy drive support.

I know Rob Smith was working on a hardware solution for his floppybridge/drawbridge for Mister but there doesn't seem to have been anything since early 2024?

The other option I suppose would be just to transplant my existing Dell 3050 micro into the 1200 case but I'm not sure about this option.

Thoughts?

 

[Amiga Forever]

Then you got The A1200(it is out in June 2026) that coming out next year as well

Miss1200? I never heard of them.

 

[miggymad]

I faced a similar conundrum but ultimately went with the A1200NG with the CPU boost kit.

 

[sharpied79]

Then you got The A1200(it is out in June 2026) that coming out next year as well

Miss1200? I never heard of them.

Have a quick Google search, good looking single board FPGA solution that just drops into an A1200 case.

There is also the Mistress1200 but that requires a DE-10 nano.

 

[YouKnowWho]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again...MISTer DE-10 Nano is the way. The core selection is majestic. If you put a MISTress1200 in a 1200 case/keyboard with a MISTer DE-10 Nano, you will have EVERY retro computer and console imaginable. Even a PC 486 100Mhz core exists. MISTer DE-10 Nano is the FPGA benchmark against which all others must be measured. And it's all FPGA hardware accurate no-latency magic!

 

[sharpied79]

I faced a similar conundrum but ultimately went with the A1200NG with the CPU boost kit.

What's your opinion on the 1200NG?

 

[miggymad]

@sharpied79

Worked straight out of the box. Finding it easy to use and everything both well documented and supported by AmigaKit.

Free updates too is a welcome bonus. No hassle or head scratching trying to get things to work,. Everything I've tried worked first time, even a 20 year old backup

Yes, am impressed with the A1200NG

 

[Amiga Forever]

I have A600GS which is same as A1200NG as it is very stable OS (Amiga Operating System)

 

[YouKnowWho]

FYI - this new video seems to show some significant progress on the MISTer Floppy by Rob Smith. I like his inventions, and I think he totally looks like an 80s music artist in this video as well. I bet Rob could secretly stand in for Curt Smith and half the crowd wouldn't even notice the swap. Maybe they are relatives?



Also...I want one of those Aliens detectors...but for detecting an Amiga without custom chip set and 68K CPU.

 

[miggymad]

I have A600GS which is same as A1200NG as it is very stable OS (Amiga Operating System)

As you know, I have both machines ... I'm greedy

 

[YouKnowWho]

I'm pointing the imaginary Rob Smith Alien-fakeMiga detector in your direction @miggymad and it's beeping like...mad!
Put a REAL Amiga 1200 between these two wanna-bees to throw off the detector, would ya please?

 

[sharpied79]

Do

I've said it before, and I'll say it again...MISTer DE-10 Nano is the way. The core selection is majestic. If you put a MISTress1200 in a 1200 case/keyboard with a MISTer DE-10 Nano, you will have EVERY retro computer and console imaginable. Even a PC 486 100Mhz core exists. MISTer DE-10 Nano is the FPGA benchmark against which all others must be measured. And it's all FPGA hardware accurate no-latency magic

@sharpied79

Worked straight out of the box. Finding it easy to use and everything both well documented and supported by AmigaKit.

Free updates too is a welcome bonus.No hassle or head scratching trying to get things to work,. Everything I've tried worked first time, even a 20 year old backup

Yes, am impressed with the A1200NG

I'm still torn.

My heart is telling me Mistress 1200 and DE-10 (as in MiSTer) but at approx £450 just for these two items...

My wallet is liking the 1200NG at £250...

 

[miggymad]

@YouKnowWho

Ohhh ... I wonder whats in the box???



What ever can they be???



Oh wow ... just look at that pair of beauties!

Would you like a slice of humble pie to go with your comment?
Real Devon custard or ice-cream ..? your choice

You should also go check those imaginary batteries

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[Adonay]

The 1200NG has a SBC that is to slow to emulate an amiga1200 at 100% speed with out scrolling issues . Heck that issue is also noticeable on winuae with very powerful x86 cpus . I have been playing with uae and pimiga for years and had to blow the dust of my real amigas again because it bothered me so much . Remember the sbc has to emulate all the custom chips at the same time in parallel . I believe if anything fpga would be a better fit for you. Some people don't notice but i did for sure even after claiming it to be rubbish and made up fanboy talk

 

[YouKnowWho]

@sharpied79

Well..one is a software emulation any computer this side of 2000 can handle with ease, wrapped in plastic emulation.

The other is a chameleon which "beams" RETRO-hardware into a "holodeck" and recreates the actual hardware IN-HARDWARE without any latency caused by software emulation. And it does this for a full menu of original machines, computers, arcades of the retro era.

MISTer DE-10 Nano remains the final word in all this nostalgia re-booting in my view and not a single piece of hardware offered since has convinced me otherwise.

You already have a computer that can handle all these software emulators. Why buy another ARM CPU to do the same software emulation, just repackaged?

That's my logic, and I'm sticking to it.

 

[sharpied79]

The 1200NG has a SBC that is to slow to emulate a amiga1200 at 100% speed with out scrolling issues . Heck that issue is also noticeable on winuae with very powerful x86 cpus . I have been playing with uae and pimiga for years and had to blow the dust of my real amigas again because it bothered me so much . Remember the sbc has to emulate all the custom chips at the same time in parallel . I believe if anything fpga would be a better fit for you. Some people don't notice but i did for sure even after claiming it to be rubbish and made up fanboy talk

That's what concerns me, I already have an (older) Dell 3050 Micro with a Gen8 Core i5 and 8gb ram running Linux Mint and Amiberry 7.1.1, having said that it can quite happily emulate a stock A1200 at Pal (50fps) without dropping any (keeping an eye on the status bar)

If I had the money I would just get an A1200 refurbed/recapped board but let's face it, I would then still need an accelerator and an Idivision to run it like I want to and I don't have a spare £800 (or more)

I just wish I hadn't sold my Dad's Amiga 1200 a couple of years ago...

 

[YouKnowWho]

@sharpied79 - buy yourself an Amiga 1200 case/keyboard combo and a Amiga 1200 to USB keyboard adapter, stick a Pi in there and emulate. Once you're ready buy a DE-10 Nano. Then buy a MISTress1200. Then...you have EVERY retro machine in your Amiga 1200 - 100% hardware accurate and amazing, no latency.

You'll be touching original authentic Commodore plastics AND enjoy the actual custom chipset and 68K CPU faithfully "recreated" inside the MISTer FPGA chip.

FYI - The whole FPGA retro scene came out of the Amiga and it was Minimig (Thank you Dennis van Weeren!) that showed the whole retro-loving-world what is possible with FPGA just like the original Amiga showed the world what is possible with a personal computer. What is inside today's "new C64" and "Spectrum ZXes" and "MEGA 65"? FPGA! - just AMD (not DE-10), as those makers for some reason want to limit the user's core choice and by extension these new machine's capabilities and choosing that FPGA does it, as there aren't nearly as many cores for it. I don't like when people limit my capabilities.

 

[Adonay]

My first try at building a modern amiga with 1200 keyboard with cdtv keykaps and a pi 3b+ as the emulator . It worked and everything ran @ 50fps but there was some delay in the controller input and sometimes in chipset timing . The orange pi in the 1200ng is slightly faster than the pi3 . I upgraded to a standalone pi4 2x speed? but still had the same issues with unresponsive controls and not correct timing. Sysinfo showed an insane mips score but something was off. I then went back to uae on my modern gaming pc and experienced the same issue.

Kicker is that i did not believe there was an issue to begin with and people telling me that something was not right was in my mind wrong as the pi setup or winuae was faster than any 68k amiga. I don't know if the whdload wrappers have corrected this in recent times but i thing think the issue with emulating the amiga is within the architecture and the custom chipset . Hard to correctly time the emulation even with brute force due to the parallel computing . For the most part if you do not notice it with whdload on your i5 i think you will be happy with the 1200ng

 

[YouKnowWho]

@Adonay - exactly! Great simple build. Fantastic. I like your choice of clear case and that you kept it clean. Some actually wish to stick ten dollar's worth of milti-color-LEDs inside and make it look like a cheap overcompensating heap of light-noise junk.

But back to this simple config...From here, you don't even need a MISTress1200. Just put a DE-10 in there in place of pi as you wish. SNAC for original controllers. No delay/latency issues on FPGA with custom chipset or input. Fantastic!

 

[Watson]

FYI - this new video seems to show some significant progress on the MISTer Floppy by Rob Smith. I like his inventions, and I think he totally looks like an 80s music artist in this video as well. I bet Rob could secretly stand in for Curt Smith and half the crowd wouldn't even notice the swap. Maybe they are relatives?



Also...I want one of those Aliens detectors...but for detecting an Amiga without custom chip set and 68K CPU.

Hey @YouKnowWho I wouldn't mind giving that whack-a-floppy game a go!