Microsoft Activation System!

Interesting comparison here:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2355703,00.asp

Which doesn't show XP or Windows 7 blowing either out of the water..
But it does show that Vista really was that bad..

:-)

desiv

That's done about the time when W7 was released though?
Some components of W7 got a little faster after a few patches, which also means some apps and benchmarks got a sliver or two speedier.

TBH on modern systems where hibernate/suspend works well (OS X/W7), startup time isn't a very interesting metric I think, since you may not do a full boot more than once every 2-3 weeks or thereabouts.

I know if you do heavy multicore work it pays off to run on W7 instead of XP at least, somehow the multiprocessor support and memory management have improved a bit finally with Windows latest incarnation.
 
haha I feel your pain with the new generation of Office :D

I did see a demo of Windows 8 the other week - not sure if I'm very keen.. the landscape of computing is all becoming a bit too gimicky for my liking (I guess 7 is a bit guilty of that). Win 7 is the last post for me (probably)!
Yeah, 8 looks like a huge misstep, interface-wise - it's plain they want to mimic Apple's shift in focus to iOS, only they seem to have missed the part where serious Windows users are not going to like such a move. At all. Which is a pity, because the idea of moving it off one single architecture is pretty interesting and could radically change the PC hardware landscape, if it got serious adoption outside the subset of "tablet users who are also extremely loyal Microsoft customers," which I don't think it will. Maybe 9 will bring back something like a sane UI...
 
i blame kids with the facebo and beebook, they have the ipads and stuff so making an os thats dumbed down for that genereation is probably actually a smart move when it comes to making money.
the rest of us will probably find a way to keep xp running or move to linux, and once all the old xp people are 100% linux its gonna take a LOT from MS to make them go back to windows, so chances are they will loose a big part of the market they used to own, but gain a easier to controll zombie generation instead.
 
Linux is great but it's a enthusiasts os, it'll never be huge (would have done it by now)

Mac or Windows take your pick:p
 
True that. Linux is sadly hampered by the fact that the only people working on developing it are the people who have no idea how to make it accessible to normal people :/ It's a lot better than it used to be, but still nowhere near where it needs to be for mass adoption.
 
Those last 2 comments about Linux are so "5 years ago"..
Ubuntu and Android have proved it's no longer enthusiasts only..
What you hear problems about in Linux now is the people trying to run Windows programs in it still...

Lots of non-techs are happy with their Android phones.

There are a lot of happy Linux Netbook users also..
True, there were returns of netbooks with Linux, but those people wanted Windows.
Linux isn't Windows. ;-)

I've got Linux fans at work who are frustrated with me because I run Outlook in a VM instead of a native Linux e-mail/calendaring client connected to exchange.
Why? It doesn't work well.. You need Outlook, run Outlook.

It's not about the OS, it's the APPs. Has been for the last few years..

desiv
 
True that. Linux is sadly hampered by the fact that the only people working on developing it are the people who have no idea how to make it accessible to normal people :/

That's quite ironic, because as a long-term Linux user I'm finding myself completely disenfranchised by the direction the mainstream distros are going - which is the same disease that seems to be afflicting Windows - usability-over-usefulness.

Gnome 3 is lovely, and I'd use it like a shot if all I needed to do was browse the web and deal with the odd few emails. I can't use it for actual *work*, though - it's too cumbersome and slows me down too much. Likewise - but to a lesser extent - with Unity (Ubuntu's new shell): very pretty, I like a lot of things about it, but it slows me down in ways that aren't just about familiarity.
 
That's quite ironic, because as a long-term Linux user I'm finding myself completely disenfranchised by the direction the mainstream distros are going - which is the same disease that seems to be afflicting Windows - usability-over-usefulness.
See, the problem is the ones that are trying for user-friendliness don't actually seem to understand how to achieve it. Instead of coming up with a simple, elegant model that incorporates things people are already familiar with from Mac OS and/or Windows without the cruft, they're trying to either reinvent the wheel or dumb it down to be a tablet/smartphone UI on a desktop computer. They want the appearance of "friendliness," not something that's actually conducive to ease-of-use...
 
Instead of coming up with a simple, elegant model that incorporates things people are already familiar with from Mac OS and/or Windows
See, but that's what IS happening.
They are taking the things "people" like from MacOS and Windows.

The latest Ubuntu feels very Macish...

If you like Mac and new Windows, you'll really appreciate the newer Ubuntu...

If you're a longtime Linux user, you switch to LXDE or something. ;-)

desiv
 
I have a MAPS (Microsoft Action Pack Subscription) so don't have to worry as I can use the same key multiple times (a bit like a Volume Licence agreement)
However, because I have a lot of 'branded' machines, I tend to use the OEM SLP activation (SLP = System Locked Preinstall) as it uses a special product key & certificate file which it then matches against the BIOS which results in Windows activating, during install, offline .... and hence, not involving M$ crappy activation servers.
This covers those machines that are not for work use ;)
 
However, because I have a lot of 'branded' machines, I tend to use the OEM SLP activation (SLP = System Locked Preinstall) as it uses a special product key & certificate file which it then matches against the BIOS which results in Windows activating, during install, offline .... and hence, not involving M$ crappy activation servers.

Yep, which works great, until you want to P2V one of these into your DataCenter VM cluster.. ;-)

desiv
(I know you said not for work, but I've had that happen..)
 
by and large I like win7 but the 2 things I hate are the networking Home group thing that I refuse point blank to use and this Library system for saving your pics,docs in, you thought it was easy to lose a file before its a bloody nightmare now

But I still prefer it to XP and I really liked XP, Its a shame its got to the point they have to release a new os every few years to keep the cash coming in as not see anything really innovative in an OS for years
 
I was caught in an XP activation loop last weekend on a clients computer. Not fun and the MS rep on the phone could only tell me to re-boot and it would go away. Needless to say, it did not. Had to military format the drive. I suspect the virus he had got into the boot sector and 2 regular "quick" formats could not wipe it clean.
 
did you try fixboot or fixmbr? "after booting to recovery console from the cd"
they are both are prety good for boot sector repairs. fixboot would have quite possibly done the trick as it rewrites the boot sector "you can even specify which disk".

i tend not to format if possible. if i do have to format "upon request" then i format then do a gutman or modifed 7x pass. and then format again. over kill prehaps but if i want it clean i want it unrecoverably clean.
 
did you try fixboot or fixmbr? "after booting to recovery console from the cd"
they are both are prety good for boot sector repairs. fixboot would have quite possibly done the trick as it rewries the boot sector "you can even specify which disk".

i tend not to format if possible.

Na, just thought were are into deep now,no use wasting even more time to fix it, just go with the proven path. funny thing is after the format an re-install, I had no problems activating on-line. Before (when stuck in the loop) i had to actually phone and talk to a person. I guess I am the opposite, 9 out of 10 times, when I use the repair console it fails, so I tend not to actually bother with it if I don't have to.Nothing seems to beat a good old fashion F an R.
 
ive always been the same lol.. i dont want to format. never have never will.
My method of file storage goes like this..

New folder>new folder>new folder>emty
New folder>new folder>new folder(1)>some stuff
New folder(1)>new folder>new folder>program

and so on.. randomly scatterd over multiple hard drives.
every few months il do a search and sort them out but theres always straglers. and much like hording items in real life. i know if i ever format a drive there will be a new folder in a new folder in a new folder somewhere that has a program that i really need 10 mins after i have formated, and i cant ever find it again.
But thanx to that im actualy prety good at repairing pc's without formating so when people want it fixed and not loose stuff, they drag the things over here.
 
However, because I have a lot of 'branded' machines, I tend to use the OEM SLP activation (SLP = System Locked Preinstall) as it uses a special product key & certificate file which it then matches against the BIOS which results in Windows activating, during install, offline .... and hence, not involving M$ crappy activation servers.

Yep, which works great, until you want to P2V one of these into your DataCenter VM cluster.. ;-)

desiv
(I know you said not for work, but I've had that happen..)
I know exactly what you mean, but havn't done that myself, as I reserve all my MAPS licences for work machines and OEM:SLP licences for home stuff.

Saying all this, I've started moving some of my home machines to 'alternatives' such as Ubuntu Linux. For home, I don't really need anything specific other than Internet (inc. Flash and Java suppot) and the ability to play MP3s (and possibly the odd DivX movie) - Ubuntu does all this for me, and being quite technical, I have no problems working it.

I have to admit, since the days of XP and onwards, I've slowly been moving my interest away from Windows as a home user due to the ludicrus changes to the OS and the abismal activation system.

The one thing I can do with Linux, is that under most circumstances, I can change the hardware completely (inc. Motherboard) and the OS will work no matter what machine it's on, which is more than can be said M$'s efforts. I do that with Windows and at best I'll have to reactivate with a new key, but more often that not, doing this will be met with a BSOD claiming 'INACCESSABLE_BOOT_DEVICE' :thumbsdown: due to the difference in HDD controller or different CPU platform .... this is mainly down to the fact that the machines I change motherboard on, I'm upgrading (so no like-for-like swaps) and hence could be moving from a Pentium 4 to a Intel Core i5 or something, hence the massive difference in hardware. Admitidly, Linux isn't perfect, and by upgrading like this I tend to find I have packages installed that are optimized for older hardware, but that's not a massive issue as it can be resolved as the OS actually boots :D

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did you try fixboot or fixmbr? "after booting to recovery console from the cd"
they are both are prety good for boot sector repairs. fixboot would have quite possibly done the trick as it rewries the boot sector "you can even specify which disk".

i tend not to format if possible.
I tend not to reformat if I can help it.
For me (especially in my 'work' life), it's a massive inconvience to me & the customer if I reformat & reinstall the OS.
The best boot sector repair I've found to Windows, is actually in the 'BOOT' folder of a Windows 7 CD called 'bootsect.exe'
Although it's designed for Windows 7, it can run under Windows XP and later. I created a custom Windows PE CD (Windows PE = Windows Pre-Install Environment) with the tool on.
It's used like this:

to repair Windows 2000/XP/2003 boot sector & MBR
bootsect /nt52 C: /force /mbr
(replace C: with the drive Windows is installed on, /force will force a dismount and /mbr also repairs the MBR as well as the bootsector)

and to repair Windows Vista/7/2008/2008-R2
bootsect /nt60 C: /force /mb

However, please note that it only repairs the MBR and the boot sector. It DOES NOT repair your boot.ini file. To do that, you need XP recovery console.

If the problem is that bad, and the hard drive is OK (and it's XP of course), I will go down the 'in-place upgrade' root. This is an often overlooked process that is a cure for most XP boot issues, but sometimes not all the registry gets inherited (although most of it does)
To do this, boot your XP cd, when you get to the installation options, press ENTER to do a full install, press F8 to accept the licence agreement. Then, the installer will search for existing Windows installs .... it'll find you existing XP install and prompt you if you want to repair/upgrade this installation. Accept that, sit back, and enjoy the ride. It'll remove some system files and replace them with the ones from the XP CD. Admitidly, you'll end up with an XP install that'll need shed loads of updates doing to it, but you keep all the existing user accounts etc.
This trick also works with Windows NT4.0, Windows 2000 and with Windows Server 2003 however, DO NOT do this on a Windows PC that's a member of the domain (unless you're happy to have to reinstall stuff and re-join it to the domain) as doing a repair install this way will regenerate the machine SID (and therefore break domain membership)
 
I agree with those about Windows 7. Definitely runs much nicer on older hardware than XP did. Although, a bit of additional ram does help it greatly, but that was true for XP too. Athlon XP/64 and P4 systems all work better with Win 7 from my experience.

I've not tried Win 7 on an Atom based system yet, but as long as it has enough ram I can see why it also wouldn't.

Regarding Vista, I personally liked it and ran the 64bit Ultimate edition as my main IS for some time before upgrading to Win 7 64bit Ultimate. Never had too many issues with it, although Windows 7 is more stable and seems to have completely removed most driver issues. It is the first M$ OS where installing an OS automatically finds most hardware without your intervention.
 
I am using win7/pro X64 at the moment on my atom330 system... it has an ION gpu that helps A LOT and 4GB DDR2... runs awesome. Next format I'll return to pro/X86 though since the atom can only adress ~3.3GB of RAM nommater what OS version (x86 or x64) is being used.
I have the feeling that x86 run a little faster...
 
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