Drunk_Yeah
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Oh right.... this explains why I haven't been able to see the PM function.
PM - How to send a PM? - Solved
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sbrentson
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Having to send 2 posts before being able to send private messages is a fairly idiotic mechanic. It's particularly stupid since there's no indication in the "Conversations" section that this policy exists in the first place. Just absolutely piss poor overengineering a solution without a problem...
It has been for many many years and is clearly in the site rules too which you obviously read and agreed to. ( you get sent this message when you join )
See here https://www.amibay.com/threads/pm-how-to-send-a-pm-solved.2439858/#post-2453063
The “idiotic mechanic” you refer to stops 99.9% of spam accounts trying to sell you cheap iphones or motorbikes from brazil.
Wait you dont see these spam posts i wonder why.
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sbrentson
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First. No. An arbitrary 2-post minimum is not the only thing swaying the tide of endless bot-spammers. More likely account creation gates in place prevent the majority of bot-spammers.
For new accounts, I detected at least two such mechanisms. Email activation is an industry standard and does a good job on its own. But before that, the CAPTCHA-like question I was asked during account creation gave me a bit of a chuckle ("Fill in the blank: Delux P..... IV"). The Venn diagram of folks creating accounts here and and folks able to fill in the blank on a software package published 30-something years ago might not be fully eclipsing circles. It immediately got me wondering about what the experience might be for would-be users who do not have that tidbit of trivia in their brains. Lucky for me, I didn't need to find that out first hand. I'll assume if I didn't know that one, it might let me keep trying until I got one I did know. Cute, but unnecessarily complicated.
My account creation use case is not likely unique. I have been aware of AmiBay for quite some time and only decided to create an account when one such search resulted in a product I needed for a project. I've reconstructed three Amigas from refurbished and new stock and was wanting to start a reAmiga 3000 project. Chucky has a still-active listing for his boards and I wanted to reach out to him to purchase one - per his own instructions. To do so, I needed an account to first declare interest then follow up with direct messages.
Your faith that the average user is going to spend time reading even a small part of the information they are presented is misguided. Show of hands for the number of people here actually read the Terms and Conditions before agreeing to them? Email about Forum Rules? Easy: don't post inflammatory messages in public forums that might offend the mods. Check. What more could it possibly tell me? Don't need to burn calories reading that... Now where's that direct message button?
See why we're here?
Now you absolutely have a point - it's your website and if I don't like the rules, I can go elsewhere. And also my point. The internet community is fickle. Speaking as someone with 30 years of experience in this industry, frustrating your visitors even for a moment is enough to ensure they won't come back. I understand the line we walk trying to thwart ne'er-do-wells while keeping the good ones engaged. Based on my first post here, I'm clearly in the former group. Mission accomplished, I guess.
For my tone, I do apologize.
What I should have said: as a new user some of your policies have been very frustrating and there ought to be less-intrusive methods to accomplish your goals. It has definitely prevented me from completing my first transaction here, and I'm not sure I'll be back to try again.
For new accounts, I detected at least two such mechanisms. Email activation is an industry standard and does a good job on its own. But before that, the CAPTCHA-like question I was asked during account creation gave me a bit of a chuckle ("Fill in the blank: Delux P..... IV"). The Venn diagram of folks creating accounts here and and folks able to fill in the blank on a software package published 30-something years ago might not be fully eclipsing circles. It immediately got me wondering about what the experience might be for would-be users who do not have that tidbit of trivia in their brains. Lucky for me, I didn't need to find that out first hand. I'll assume if I didn't know that one, it might let me keep trying until I got one I did know. Cute, but unnecessarily complicated.
My account creation use case is not likely unique. I have been aware of AmiBay for quite some time and only decided to create an account when one such search resulted in a product I needed for a project. I've reconstructed three Amigas from refurbished and new stock and was wanting to start a reAmiga 3000 project. Chucky has a still-active listing for his boards and I wanted to reach out to him to purchase one - per his own instructions. To do so, I needed an account to first declare interest then follow up with direct messages.
Your faith that the average user is going to spend time reading even a small part of the information they are presented is misguided. Show of hands for the number of people here actually read the Terms and Conditions before agreeing to them? Email about Forum Rules? Easy: don't post inflammatory messages in public forums that might offend the mods. Check. What more could it possibly tell me? Don't need to burn calories reading that... Now where's that direct message button?
See why we're here?
Now you absolutely have a point - it's your website and if I don't like the rules, I can go elsewhere. And also my point. The internet community is fickle. Speaking as someone with 30 years of experience in this industry, frustrating your visitors even for a moment is enough to ensure they won't come back. I understand the line we walk trying to thwart ne'er-do-wells while keeping the good ones engaged. Based on my first post here, I'm clearly in the former group. Mission accomplished, I guess.
For my tone, I do apologize.
What I should have said: as a new user some of your policies have been very frustrating and there ought to be less-intrusive methods to accomplish your goals. It has definitely prevented me from completing my first transaction here, and I'm not sure I'll be back to try again.
brinky
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@sbrentson Way to go right off the bat! You have clearly established your "Ugly American-ness" for this pleasant and friendly international community of Amiga friends. In the future, please, for your fellow American AmiBay-ers' sakes, refrain from criticizing the house when you are still technically a "house guest". I am cringing from your lack of decorum in this forum.
What a remarkedly unpleasant fellow that sbrentson is.
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sbrentson
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No worries mates. You've got a fine site here. Carry on.
Some people just love thin ice and skating..
An apology was offered and it has been accepted.
But, just know, everyone gets a second chance. You're now on yours.
An apology was offered and it has been accepted.
But, just know, everyone gets a second chance. You're now on yours.
I joined Amibay 3 years ago - mostly to read and to learn - which I did from time to time and enjoyed very much: A great forum. As for myself, I do not like to post on forums often, as I do not regard myself as an expert and prefer to remain silent if the thing I'd like to say does not seem that important even to myself, which is often. So the number of my posts remained quite low during the last 3 years. And with "low" I mean zero... As I said, I prefer to listen. Now I declared interest for a sale and wanted to send a PM as requested in the forum rules. Which - being a polite person - I actually DID read. So, after declaring interest, I spent half an hour, which felt like an eternity in 'i'm probably just too stupid' hell to find out how to send a PM as requested, just to find out in this thread, that I had to post something else that no one will be interested in to get to 2 posts and thus be able to send a PM to do, what seems to be a not unimportant part of this forum: Try to buy something for my precious Amiga... So here you got my second post: Enjoy all! Maybe some of those who kept reading will understand that I did feel some sympathies for sbrentsons comment further up, even if I can understand that criticism from those who just joined is not that much enjoyed by long time members. So best regards to everyone and thx for the great site!
I read the rules, made an account, made an introductory post, made another thread about my newcomings, then sent a PM regarding a potential purchase. The thought that two posts were required to send a PM was lost to me simply because I put myself out there via introductions and curiosities, which means I missed the whole two step process by completing it unknowingly. :B
pszczolka1985
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