Cello71
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Amen to that Sir!
No matter where you're coming from or where you're going... enjoy the journey and the amazing people you'll have the chance to meet.
oh and of course the Hardware too!!!
The Commodore brand may be coming back!
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No matter where you're coming from or where you're going... enjoy the journey and the amazing people you'll have the chance to meet.
oh and of course the Hardware too!!!
I get what you guys are saying.
All I'm saying is...to me these things are often just processed frozen mystery ground meat, from many different animals.
Not the 60 day dry aged rare steak from a single cow, that I prefer.
All I'm saying is...to me these things are often just processed frozen mystery ground meat, from many different animals.
Not the 60 day dry aged rare steak from a single cow, that I prefer.
Cello71
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Totally agree with you. That's why I would love to sit with you in Canada in front of two steaks sharing stories about our first computers as much as I love Burger King meals with my son once every second month when his mom is out. Even fast food can be special under certain conditions.
no debate about which meal IS better, but it's still a free world (at least the part we're living in) and personal tastes/opinions should be taken/respected as such.
by the way, can you imagine what me an my son discuss over double Whoppers?
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Part 3 now up…….
Watched it today. 30 minutes of fluff. 5 minutes of the "buying" of Commodore signing papers.
Stated paid in full up front. Where did the money come from? C64 ultimate pre-orders? How will they fund producing these pre-orders? Lots of unanswered questions. Just watch the 32 minute mark to the end and save some of your time.
Stated paid in full up front. Where did the money come from? C64 ultimate pre-orders? How will they fund producing these pre-orders? Lots of unanswered questions. Just watch the 32 minute mark to the end and save some of your time.
It sounded like a big chunk of money came from pre-orders. That seems a bit risky to me, to fund this with "borrowed" money from consumers. I would hope that there's enough margin in the bank to offset production issues and cancellations. I might have misunderstood though.
30 minutes of fluff! To me it doesn’t matter what’s important someone with a lot of passion is keeping commodore alive.
The company and all its patents are exactly where it needs to be.
I VERY much doubt perifractic has a bad bone or a money making suit in his body. I feel he would put the brand and the community 1st or i would hope so.
I’m so disappointed in retro games new TheA1200 if reports are correct it’s just another mini and would wish commodore makes an Amiga Ultimate in the same manner with part real hardware and fpga. I would buy one.
Look at the price of a new Commodore ultimate then try price building either a new c64 pcb fit all the chips even re using an old case same for the c64 ultimate board then get a case keyboard etc WAY more expensive than buying a ready built commodore ultimate 64 Its a bargain and perifractic could have added another £100 on it and it would have still sold This kinda proves he’s for the brand not making as much profit as possible.
Just my view anyway
The company and all its patents are exactly where it needs to be.
I VERY much doubt perifractic has a bad bone or a money making suit in his body. I feel he would put the brand and the community 1st or i would hope so.
I’m so disappointed in retro games new TheA1200 if reports are correct it’s just another mini and would wish commodore makes an Amiga Ultimate in the same manner with part real hardware and fpga. I would buy one.
Look at the price of a new Commodore ultimate then try price building either a new c64 pcb fit all the chips even re using an old case same for the c64 ultimate board then get a case keyboard etc WAY more expensive than buying a ready built commodore ultimate 64 Its a bargain and perifractic could have added another £100 on it and it would have still sold This kinda proves he’s for the brand not making as much profit as possible.
Just my view anyway
Cello71
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an important point was Leonard Tramiel telling that the winning idea was Jack's obsession in keeping price low to achieve market penetration and sales figures. The trick is really there: make something new, innovative that everyone wants and can afford.
The success of the new Commodore depends on the community as well, it needs to regrow, but chances are there since it hasn't die in 30 years
The success of the new Commodore depends on the community as well, it needs to regrow, but chances are there since it hasn't die in 30 years
Public Domain?
Sell a $30 FPGA for $300+ USD on design nostalgia was Jack's obsession? Double it by adding some LEDs.
@YouKnowWho
Make us all a similar spec machine for less than what C= and co are charging.
We're waiting
Make us all a similar spec machine for less than what C= and co are charging.
We're waiting
Start with the $200 USD Terasic DE10 Nano Mister FPGA board and take it from there. Didn't someone do a DE10 clone for $100USD already as well?
Even if you spend $500 on a final setup, you'll soon realize how much money (and space) you saved by DE10 being capable of so much more. The 110,000 logic cell FPGA of DE10 can do so much and has such amazing broad support. Consider that the new full sized A1200 will set you back $550 USD...well, that amazing Amiga is included in this DE10 nano purchase already for you. Can this C64 give you an amazing AGA/RTG Amiga? How about a 486SX100 with SVGA and SB16?
I honestly don't understand how the DE10 is not THE FINAL word in FPGA. Why would anyone bother with anything else is beyond me. And it is fun to mount it inside a retro case of your choice make it your own. No shortage of C64 of Amiga case options out there either for starters. Ah...I repeat myself. You know where I'm at on this.
Even if you spend $500 on a final setup, you'll soon realize how much money (and space) you saved by DE10 being capable of so much more. The 110,000 logic cell FPGA of DE10 can do so much and has such amazing broad support. Consider that the new full sized A1200 will set you back $550 USD...well, that amazing Amiga is included in this DE10 nano purchase already for you. Can this C64 give you an amazing AGA/RTG Amiga? How about a 486SX100 with SVGA and SB16?
I honestly don't understand how the DE10 is not THE FINAL word in FPGA. Why would anyone bother with anything else is beyond me. And it is fun to mount it inside a retro case of your choice make it your own. No shortage of C64 of Amiga case options out there either for starters. Ah...I repeat myself. You know where I'm at on this.
@YouKnowWho
i'm sorry, that is not what I asked for. A Commodore 64, not a DE10 or A1200 ... for less than what they are selling on commodore.net if you please.
TIA
i'm sorry, that is not what I asked for. A Commodore 64, not a DE10 or A1200 ... for less than what they are selling on commodore.net if you please.
TIA
i disagree on both points
Public domain would be an uncontrolled mess and a free for all. Erm. No thanks. Had enough of commodore toilets. Torches. Scooters. God forbid a phone. Or whatever any money grabbing idiot could dream up. Patents in the control of a commodore fan/enthusiast with passion.
$30 fpga and sell for $300. ?? Are we reading the same website ??
The ultimate 64 project https://ultimate64.com/Ultimate-64-Elite-MK2 that does indeed use fpga but also supports real cassette tapedeck, carts and Disk drives. With real dual sid support. You know that costs more than the new commodore 64 just the pcb.
The new commodore 64 comes with the above board with modified firmware with so many features even a mister fpga is missing.
50 games some licensed on a 64gb usb
12v psu,
hdmi cable ,
All in a new commodore branded case
A true mechanical keyboard
a ring bound manual
all inside a new glossy box.
Add all that up separately and $299 is a bloody bargain considering the c64 in 1982 was $595 and dropped to $250 in 1984 around $800 in today’s money.
Also if you do a reverse check. This new commodore 64 would be costing $95. If purchased in 1984
Public domain would be an uncontrolled mess and a free for all. Erm. No thanks. Had enough of commodore toilets. Torches. Scooters. God forbid a phone. Or whatever any money grabbing idiot could dream up. Patents in the control of a commodore fan/enthusiast with passion.
$30 fpga and sell for $300. ?? Are we reading the same website ??
The ultimate 64 project https://ultimate64.com/Ultimate-64-Elite-MK2 that does indeed use fpga but also supports real cassette tapedeck, carts and Disk drives. With real dual sid support. You know that costs more than the new commodore 64 just the pcb.
The new commodore 64 comes with the above board with modified firmware with so many features even a mister fpga is missing.
50 games some licensed on a 64gb usb
12v psu,
hdmi cable ,
All in a new commodore branded case
A true mechanical keyboard
a ring bound manual
all inside a new glossy box.
Add all that up separately and $299 is a bloody bargain considering the c64 in 1982 was $595 and dropped to $250 in 1984 around $800 in today’s money.
Also if you do a reverse check. This new commodore 64 would be costing $95. If purchased in 1984
^^^ what he said!
@Sardine, if you look at the incredible creativity of the community, plenty of impressive Commodore branded stuff would materialize. Many things out there would get official branding. Some niche experienced makers would tag things with the brand. This brand is an icon of the past, not future.
As for Ultimate 64, I get what you're saying, but...practically, what user will have a real cassette tapedeck, carts and disk drives and not the real actual original IC C64 to use with these accessories? And who with those accessories will prefer to use them with and FPGA emulation vs. real C64? Likely very well maintained and cared for. So, who will buy the Ultimate 64 for THAT instead of loading from SD?
As for value, I get what you're saying, but we also have to factor that Moore's Law did happen for a bunch of years after C64, and that means that today we have some options at impressive value. For $300 you can have a MISTer setup today - a 110,000 logic cell FPGA jewel of a piece of kit with incredible community support and dedication. MISTer is hardware so lovable you'd swear it has a C64 or an Amiga heart. And the Hombre chipset I read about just recently and MiniMig history makes that clear connection.
Anyhow, those products are here and available for the world to buy, regardless how I feel about them being a poor value offering compared to MISTer FPGA.
As for Ultimate 64, I get what you're saying, but...practically, what user will have a real cassette tapedeck, carts and disk drives and not the real actual original IC C64 to use with these accessories? And who with those accessories will prefer to use them with and FPGA emulation vs. real C64? Likely very well maintained and cared for. So, who will buy the Ultimate 64 for THAT instead of loading from SD?
As for value, I get what you're saying, but we also have to factor that Moore's Law did happen for a bunch of years after C64, and that means that today we have some options at impressive value. For $300 you can have a MISTer setup today - a 110,000 logic cell FPGA jewel of a piece of kit with incredible community support and dedication. MISTer is hardware so lovable you'd swear it has a C64 or an Amiga heart. And the Hombre chipset I read about just recently and MiniMig history makes that clear connection.
Anyhow, those products are here and available for the world to buy, regardless how I feel about them being a poor value offering compared to MISTer FPGA.
I wish them all the best.
I have an Ultimate 64 Elite and its awesome.
New case and keyboard too. Never had an OG C64, nor Amiga.
I have an Ultimate 64 Elite and its awesome.
New case and keyboard too. Never had an OG C64, nor Amiga.
I could be such user. I have all of these accessories by now (and C128). I would consider new commodore.net machine (as my second commodore 8-bit) if not for the breadbin.
Ultimate 64 Elite-II and C64 Ultimate has more C64 3.0 feeling than MISTer FPGA.
MISTer FPGA is definitely jack of all trades. If one would be allowed only one retro system then surely it is the best one.
Forgive if I misunderstood. Real original nice Commodore 64s are quite affordable out there, are they not? I just checked and C64+1702+1541 sets are plentiful around here@YouKnowWho
i'm sorry, that is not what I asked for. A Commodore 64, not a DE10 or A1200 ... for less than what they are selling on commodore.net if you please.
TIA
Is that what you meant? Or are you talking about an AMD XC7A50T FPGA chip with 52,160 logic cells ($12-15 USD chip cost) based hardware?
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your reasoning is flawed.. that's like comparing my PC's cheap CPU alone not accounting for all the other hardware, ram , motherboard , vga , sound , connectivity,.,,, the list goes on
when / if you buy the New C64 Ultimate your not just buying an FPGA chip alone that's just ridiculous, now what, you going to compare the above fpga cost wise to a 6502 cpu without anything else accounted for ??
ME, I have all the above, too scared to use it in case it goes pop, or even a decent display to use it on and that doesn't go pop, I've even have an original boxed mouse'n'cheese would be fun to see if the ultimate supports it or not.
I get what your saying, a cheap android or mini pc box can do the same or even better ( 060 speeds ) and less expensive than a mister fpga , That's not the point. I have both an origonal Mist from Lotherak and a Mister FPGA and both are mind blowing in what they can do.
BUT the new Commodore C64 Ultimate:-
its not a mister
its not strictly emulation
a mix of real hardware and fpga ( it doesn't matter how many logic cells it has, it has one job to do, C64, it doesn't have to be anything else but the best it can be at being a C64 )
its a Genuine official Commodore C64 ( with bells and whistles, quality of life improvements with hardware addons like the supercpu i could never dream of having ) all in a tangible touchable REAL C64, its the feel, turn it on to see the 38911 basic bytes free, in all purposes a modern C64 that no square ( Pi like ) box with a pc keyboard and mouse can replace.
I have a Dragon 32, i connect to my tv ( via composite to HDMI ) awful picture but that's how it was, my 1st TV was a 10 or 12 B/W set i borrowed from my sister.
its the feel of pushing the power button to then see "(C) Dragon Data LTD" in bright green.
I wouldn't care if i opened my Dragon 32 to not see a mother board but a matchbox sized system on a chip doing the exact same job, its the feel not the specs, it has one job, A dragon 32, that's it, if i want to play Snes games I use a snes, mister , android, snes mini or whatever i feel is best.
You cannot replace an experience of nostalgia with Logic Units or cells. I get more from a good case and keyboard than the size of my SD card,
