The Mystery of the Missing Message (-:

[iRetrOVolver]

"Rules are Rules.. "
"They are there for a reason.."
"If you cannot obey by the rules.. you better start packing"

We all know these phrases.. and nope.. I am not going to whine about AmiBay rules.. in fact.. I feel they are there for a damn good reason so let us stick to it and play by them rules.

But.. I am just confused.. and please.. do enlighten me for I may be blinded and cannot see what is right here. But when I sell something on AmiBay and gradually lower my asking price up to the point where I feel "Hm.. maybe also offer it elsewhere maybe?"... then I need to follow another rule for sure.. and yes.. there is one. It states;


Selling on multiple sites:
You are welcome to list your items for sale elsewhere at the same time as you post on AmiBay. However you must state in your thread that the item is 'available elsewhere'.

So I add to the thread (as it states) the phrase 'available elswehere'

Moments later.. that comment gets removed followed with a PM stating:

"I have removed your last post. Please edit your 1st post to add any pertinent information for your sale"

In the mean time I already re-entered the same comment as I hadn't noticed the comment.. and when I did, I responded that I have entered to comment again following form rules in which I am required to add the information to the thread (Thread.. not initial post).

Instead of getting a response back.. the post gets removed again.. without any comment..

obviously I add it back in again.. it gets removed again.. and I add it in again.

Now I could bow.. and suck it up.. and just give in to someones bad mood or whatever.. but.. I can't.. Those rules are there for a good reason for all of us to live by and not when they come in handy.

Anyhow.. not angry.. not ****ed off.. just find it very confusing that these sort of shenanigans are being played now.

Have a great day!






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So I got a PM saying I should not bump.. surely price drops cause that.. and that is cool I guess..

Saying "also available elsewhere" .. well.. it is a response too.. but then why delete the comment instead of just un-bumping.

Maybe the rule needs to be changed then.. It should say "Mention it in your original post, not in the thread"

Admins.. can we change that rule i.e. amend the wording?

Thanks!

 

[Sardine]

I agree, maybe a bit clearer on the rules but the same goes for "added pictures" or "available elsewhere" strategically added 2 days after a previous bump or price drop.

these are called Stealth bumps and get removed with an initial PM explaining why. no other pm's are needed as it was all explained in the 1st PM.

the same goes for price drops , many (not in your case) price drop but also remove the initial starting price, or worse in my opinion several posts down price drop £100 to £50 but the 1st post at the beginning still says £100 and its the 1st post members read that's the importance of updating your 1st post (as you do) but many do not.

its much better the 1st post is edited for any important information. only price drops or messages regarding shipping, payments etc should be allowed to bump a thread.

you are not the only member (in fact about 5 today for me) that has been moderated today,

I also moderate "I paid XXX originally for this item" and such other comments, I also add where members forget "for sale" or "wanted" prefix.


"You may revise your thread at any time" << edit your 1st post. and "You may update the original post with the status of your items"

Only a new post when "updating your thread with a new post with other pertinent information, such as "Money received" and "Item sent".

 

[freehand]

Regarding price drops.

So you want the first post changed to reflect the new price but also leave the original price and also on the new post the new reduced price ?

 

[davideo]

@freehand

In my personal opinion this thread is a good way to do it.

 

[Sardine]

@freehand

In my personal opinion this thread is a good way to do it.

.
Yes nice and clear.

especially if you have not read that thread before you INSTANTLY see the current price, you dont have to scroll down or go through pages to see a newer lower price

 

[freehand]

I have no problem with that I like to price drop regular depending on my mood.

 

[Amon_RA]

So a price drop must always be done in the first post, but mentioning it in a new post is a stealth bump and will be removed, unless the bumping period has passed and you are allowed to bump... Clear.

 

[Sardine]

no,,

I price drop is allowed and can be done "ANYTIME" (within reasons like €1 of a €200 item is not really a price drop as such but a means to bump you sale)
you can price drop every day if needed as long as its a "significant" change not €1 unless the item stated out at €10 you get the idea



you post a "NEW" post
"Price drop now €55" and then edit your 1st post "price is €60 €55"

is a good example or

you post a "NEW" post
"Price drop" and then edit your 1st post "price is €55 (Was €60)"

here is a pm i sent recently and got a reply today. its not in the rules but we all "know" why its done to bump your sale.

bumping your thread is every 14 days.

any important information can be "EDITED" to your 1st post

please stop

"added game"

"removed game"

this is bumping and not allowed.

thanks

OK,will keep in mind

 

[iRetrOVolver]

I guess an overhaul on some of the wording in the forum rules in general always a good practice and makes it less ambiguous too..

 

[davideo]

This is not aimed at anyone in particular and is just me chucking in my 2p

The point behind the bumping rule is to allow everybody a fair chance at getting on the first page of the Forum.

Too many bumps by different members can make a newly listed thread vanish to the second or third page within an hour or two!!

How would you feel if that was happening to you?

 

[iRetrOVolver]

To answer that open question to everyone..

Since the point of my thread was to review the rules and possibly amend the wording.. (i guess we established by now it is needed).. I too agree that adding information can be done in the original post..

So let us ensure that the rules clearly state what the procedure is.. don't state one thing, demand the other and try to talk over the actual issue at hand.. clarity and consistency is the only way rules work and you as administrators must surely agree on that.

 

[davideo]

@iRetroVolver

Ok I'll bite Here is the current wording on the bumping rule

Bumping your thread:
'Bumping' is defined as posting in your For Sale or Wanted thread for the purpose of bringing it to the top of the list of most recent threads. Unless you have made a significant change to your thread you may only bump your post once every two weeks. A significant change, refers to a price change or any other relevant information that will be important to a buyer.

How would you suggest this is modified to remove all ambiguity?

 

[Amon_RA]

You'll need to detail what relevant information is in the rules.

Stating that an item is also available elsewhere isn't relevant it seems (because it was removed by a mod), while I personally find it important to know as a buyer.

 

[davideo]

@All

Please feel free to chip in to the wording that you think is relevant to this rule.

In seven days time from this post I'll take it forward and see what the other Mods and Admins think to the suggestions made.

The main point to note is that the Bumping Rule will NOT be removed.

 

[iRetrOVolver]

@davideo - correct, now compare that to the comment on selling on multiple sites (screenshot in my initial post)

Your turn again ;-)


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[Sardine]

@iRetrOVolver

Selling on multiple sites:
You are welcome to list your items for sale elsewhere at the same time as you post on AmiBay. However you must state in your thread that the item is 'available elsewhere'.

when you CREATE your sale thread, you must specify if available elsewhere, but if you decide at a later date to sell elsewhere then you Amend your 1st post.

an item that becomes available outside of Amibay is NOT a significant change to your sale and not important to a potential buyer. How can an item suddenly be "MORE" important and significant just because you listed the item elsewhere!!!

 

[iRetrOVolver]

Then replace the word 'thread' by 'first post' .. job done.

 

[Sardine]

yep,, i thought you would avoid the statement. "same time as you post on AmiBay." but ok, you linked to it.

 

[iRetrOVolver]

I did not avoid.. I just did not find the highlighted it relevant to the discussion as my sole point is that it mentions 'thread' and not 'initial post'..

if we want to elaborate on the "same time as you post on AmiBay" then sure.. so let me remove the formatting..

The sentence is... 'You are welcome to list your items for sale elsewhere at the same time as you post on AmiBay.'

Let me chop it up..

'So I am welcome.. to list the items for sale elsewhere.. at the same time as you post on AmiBay'

So what I read.. or what it tells me.. is that it is OK to also offer them for sale elsewhere as well.. so sell here.. and at the same time sell elsewhere.. that is what I read.. nothing more.. same time for me is the period I sell the stuff.. this can be a few days or a week for all I care..

Now when I posted, I was just wanting to post it here.. few days into the sales period.. I felt that after two drops and zero feedback, it was good to offer it elswhere as well.. tell me.. was that wrong? should I have not done that? Should I have asked to close the thread and open a new one since it had to happen at the same time? I don't think so.. so then I looked at the next sentence.. oh look.. the word thread.. fine, added the sentence to the thread and moved on.

Guys.. can we now just drop this discussion.. I merely wanted to point out that the wording could do with some tweaking and I had to say what I had to say about it.

Cheers!

 

[TheCorfiot]

Ah. Yet another pointless thread that is just going round and round, will end up achieving nothing apart from winding everyone one.

Bottom line, yes things are far from perfect, however the site is run and managed completely voluntarily.
Time is not easy to find to attempt to create a 'Utopian' site let alone to keep what we have now up and running to the best of our abilities.

We dont charge subscription, we dont charge sellers fees, in fact we often dip into our own pockets to keep the site up and running.

If you want rules and processes laid out perfectly to the letter of the law then i guess ebay is the best for you.

Now please all go and find something better to do with your precious time...you only live once.