A4000T on Ebay for $$$? Crazy?
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@ Martona
You have just hit on the very reason AmiBay exists and also why we try to get people to ignore the crazy prices for items sold elsewhere, as bidding frenzy kicks in with the final minutes of an auction.
We don't allow auctions for this very reason, as we try to promote sensible prices being negotiated between seller and buyer on here and we don't allow what we term 'price driving', i.e. the claimed value of an item sold elsewhere driving the market value for the item.
Things sell on here for what the seller is prepared to accept and that the buyer is prepared to pay - it's as simple as that.
You have just hit on the very reason AmiBay exists and also why we try to get people to ignore the crazy prices for items sold elsewhere, as bidding frenzy kicks in with the final minutes of an auction.
We don't allow auctions for this very reason, as we try to promote sensible prices being negotiated between seller and buyer on here and we don't allow what we term 'price driving', i.e. the claimed value of an item sold elsewhere driving the market value for the item.
Things sell on here for what the seller is prepared to accept and that the buyer is prepared to pay - it's as simple as that.
Ahh, the subject of price. Items are worth what people are prepared to buy and sell them for. There are so many factors that influence this that it's almost impossible to say for sure whether something is a 'good' price or not.
Here on Amibay, we don't discuss prices at all. A little counter-intuitive perhaps, but we've found it really is the best way. The market will dictate the value for an item. As such, I've taken the liberty of tweaking your post a little, to keep it in-line with Amibay rules.
Here on Amibay, we don't discuss prices at all. A little counter-intuitive perhaps, but we've found it really is the best way. The market will dictate the value for an item. As such, I've taken the liberty of tweaking your post a little, to keep it in-line with Amibay rules.
It really is weird how an Amiga 1200 (for instance, it's what I've been watching lately) can go for a wide range of prices regardless of the condition on eBay.
There is a baseline, though. I usually observe the prices for a while before starting to bid on an item, and you learn to differentiate the "noise" from the reasonable prices after a while.
There is a baseline, though. I usually observe the prices for a while before starting to bid on an item, and you learn to differentiate the "noise" from the reasonable prices after a while.
You also have to ask the seller his/her motives (which is almost impossible to guess on the other bay). With myself, sometimes, I really have no clue on what a particular item is "worth" so I will start out with a high price and if no one is even looking at the auction, I will try to adjust the price to the point that is sells. I call if fishing.. finding what people are willing to buy it now with hesitation, getting the maximum I can for it. (This is not just Amiga stuff, but anything I do put up on the other bay). I use the other bay for clearing out stuff I have no room to let sit on my online store.
On the other hand, I have stuff (like my PET, and 3000T) that only if the price was right, I would part with. I know on my on-line store that no sane person would pay the price I am asking for my PET and 3T (in fact there have been many threads just on my 3T here and on other Amiga Forums). I also include insured shipping in my prices and both the PET and the 3T would cost huge amounts to actually ship anywhere, never mind overseas. (EVEN MORE FOR THE BOMAC tower), so people should actually try to find out why the price is so high, before jumping into attack mode.
Although, it is true that some sellers on E-bay, ARE just plain insane.
On the other hand, I have stuff (like my PET, and 3000T) that only if the price was right, I would part with. I know on my on-line store that no sane person would pay the price I am asking for my PET and 3T (in fact there have been many threads just on my 3T here and on other Amiga Forums). I also include insured shipping in my prices and both the PET and the 3T would cost huge amounts to actually ship anywhere, never mind overseas. (EVEN MORE FOR THE BOMAC tower), so people should actually try to find out why the price is so high, before jumping into attack mode.
Although, it is true that some sellers on E-bay, ARE just plain insane.
I do the Buy it now/best bid as a rule of thumb i will occasionaly "bid" but i dont do what others do and just sit there wating for the last few mins to bid.. Il just stick in my maximum im willing to pay and leave it. No point in me sitting there wating for the last second lol. My maximum is my maximum, and it seems to me if you sit there wating till the last few mins to start bidding all that is going to do is coax you in to going over your maximum to win the item because you have been sat there all day watching a stupid timer.
I dont think the sellers are insane, they can ask whatever they want.
The insane are the buyers who actually pay these prices.
As for the A4000t in question, I would expect that at this price it would at least have a CSPPC (and also make me coffee in the morning...)
The insane are the buyers who actually pay these prices.
As for the A4000t in question, I would expect that at this price it would at least have a CSPPC (and also make me coffee in the morning...)
There is no maximum or minimum price for anything in the world. In contrast, supply and demand!
Personally do not like to judge others. Therefore be concidered stupid by any buyer or seller.
I agree with that. There are a lot of people there outside who hate me because of what I'm doing. I'm selling Amiga/Commodore gear in full time (12-15 hours a day), have VERY high costs for 500 square meters storage/insurances/expenses and can't list my items for prices like private seller's are doing. Besides this I have to give warranty etc. And of course a 4-head family has to live from that. Looking at some Ebay sellers who are marked as private (but are doing business with buying/reselling and earning a quick Euro obviously) they are nearly the same than my prices. THAT's insane if buyers are buying from private sellers for those prices, without any rights or high quality items
There is no maximum or minimum price for anything in the world. In contrast, supply and demand!
Personally do not like to judge others. So I do not think anyone stupid....buyer or seller.
But that's not the point. On average, if this type of auction were to appear 10 times on eBay over the next couple of years, would you expect to see the system sell anywhere near that $XXXX price each time? Of course not. However, I will not be surprised to see some people rushing now to get their A4000T systems on eBay with very high buy-it-now prices to capitalize on this recent insanity.
@orb85750
The only thing wrong with that argument is this; unless you work in investment banking, where you still get loads of mega-bonus for spectacularly epic fails, the average Joe doesn't have that amount of money to throw at this kind of stuff.
Alas, that won't stop the chancers posting ads on the auction sites and wondering why there's no response to such a 'bargain' offer. :roll:
The only thing wrong with that argument is this; unless you work in investment banking, where you still get loads of mega-bonus for spectacularly epic fails, the average Joe doesn't have that amount of money to throw at this kind of stuff.
Alas, that won't stop the chancers posting ads on the auction sites and wondering why there's no response to such a 'bargain' offer. :roll:
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There is no maximum or minimum price for anything in the world. In contrast, supply and demand!
Personally do not like to judge others. Therefore be concidered stupid by any buyer or seller.
I agree with that. There are a lot of people there outside who hate me because of what I'm doing. I'm selling Amiga/Commodore gear in full time (12-15 hours a day), have VERY high costs for 500 square meters storage/insurances/expenses and can't list my items for prices like private seller's are doing. Besides this I have to give warranty etc. And of course a 4-head family has to live from that. Looking at some Ebay sellers who are marked as private (but are doing business with buying/reselling and earning a quick Euro obviously) they are nearly the same than my prices. THAT's insane if buyers are buying from private sellers for those prices, without any rights or high quality items
Jon, I only wish I was on your level. I have my small one-bedroom Apartment filled with Amiga/Commodore gear. My "living room" looks like a Commodore warehouse, that I cant even walk in there anymore. I really need a shop..
I'm not sure I understand your argument and how it relates to my post. :huh:
While it might not be a price that we all think is realistic, I can ocme up with scenarios where it would work.
Some guy who did Amiga video back in the day, and is now incredibly wealthy.
For him, $XXX might by $yyy dollars for me...
So he gets thinking about the good old days and see this machine that reminds him of his your startup-business days..
So he buys it...
He's out what to him is some spending money, but happy with his memories...
If the seller is happy (and he should be) and the buyer is happy; all is well...
And it gives us something to chatter about, so we are all happy as well..
It's a win-win-win. ;-)
desiv
Some guy who did Amiga video back in the day, and is now incredibly wealthy.
For him, $XXX might by $yyy dollars for me...
So he gets thinking about the good old days and see this machine that reminds him of his your startup-business days..
So he buys it...
He's out what to him is some spending money, but happy with his memories...
If the seller is happy (and he should be) and the buyer is happy; all is well...
And it gives us something to chatter about, so we are all happy as well..
It's a win-win-win. ;-)
desiv
Jon, I only wish I was on your level. I have my small one-bedroom Apartment filled with Amiga/Commodore gear. My "living room" looks like a Commodore warehouse, that I cant even walk in there anymore. I really need a shop..
Hehe my dear seller buddy...if I throw you in my storage, lock the door, and don't let you out for 2 days you'll scream "LET ME OOOUUUUT!"
Really, a lot of people definitely underestimate how much work and stress it is. Only the passion for the Amiga makes it possible to do that kind of job. I have currently less than 5% of my stock listed...no time. I'm completely alone in doing this. So trust me...it's maybe better that way like you are dong it...at least for your health
@desiv
I like your thinking! Finally a healthy Post, unrated for buyers or sellers with full objectivity of things! Hey, did I know you from somewhere.
I like your thinking!
Finally a healthy Post, unrated for buyers or sellers with full objectivity of things! Hey, did I know you from somewhere.
there is one A4kT on *bay dot de right now at <snip> and still 18 hours to go. The system is marked as defect because the guy plays the "i don't know anything about" role. one picture from the back which not really shows you what in is. No details about. nothing. Maybe its a empty case .... anyway....
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Some of us on here speak relatively fluent German.... Sorry, I've had to edit your comment out, as it's considered to be price driving on here.
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Some of us on here speak relatively fluent German.... Sorry, I've had to edit your comment out, as it's considered to be price driving on here.
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