Justin
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you mean Amithlon right? and AROS does boot without windows m8, boots striaght from hard drive with nothing else installed.
so a laptop mobo with a keyrah and AROS is what you are talking about right?
Why no new accelerators?
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you mean Amithlon right? and AROS does boot without windows m8, boots striaght from hard drive with nothing else installed.
so a laptop mobo with a keyrah and AROS is what you are talking about right?
lol yeah amithlon I mean not Athlon but ..
Again I don't want emulation if I did I could run Linux / osx / winblows with UAE.
May as well bolt intel in and use Commodores new OS. Which is probably what the old Commodore would be doing anyway by now.
Softcore is as close to emulation as id go I think although your intel 1200 is excellent.
If fpga is quick enough we could bolt the chameleon into an Amiga case and run 3x with more speed and ram than a minimig
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I must admit , I had expect lots of interest in a new 060 board but the poll suggests otherwise. Now wether that's because of the cost or lack
Of interest I'm not sure but either way it doesn't look good.
Let's see how the poll does after a week or two
Again I don't want emulation if I did I could run Linux / osx / winblows with UAE.
May as well bolt intel in and use Commodores new OS. Which is probably what the old Commodore would be doing anyway by now.
Softcore is as close to emulation as id go I think although your intel 1200 is excellent.
If fpga is quick enough we could bolt the chameleon into an Amiga case and run 3x with more speed and ram than a minimig
---------- Post added at 10:31 ---------- Previous post was at 10:27 ----------
I must admit , I had expect lots of interest in a new 060 board but the poll suggests otherwise. Now wether that's because of the cost or lack
Of interest I'm not sure but either way it doesn't look good.
Let's see how the poll does after a week or two
Justin
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i think the lack of interest is twofold
1) price - it is a hobby machine mainly used for games
2) point - there is none, what can you do once you have got an 060? play Doom and ummmmm........
my A1200 has an 060@80 170 something meg of ram, an 80 gig HDD, DVD drive, mediator with ethernet, sound blaster 128, a voodoo3 and a radeon, fast ata, scan doubler/flicker fixer (yes i know, why?) cf card reader etc, etc, and what can i do with all this stuff? use it as a day to day machine? not a chance.
i play whdload games and some RTG games, the reason i wanted the 060 was because i can and to help save time while rendering scenes in Imagine. but how many people want to do rendering on an old slow machine these days?
1) price - it is a hobby machine mainly used for games
2) point - there is none, what can you do once you have got an 060? play Doom and ummmmm........
my A1200 has an 060@80 170 something meg of ram, an 80 gig HDD, DVD drive, mediator with ethernet, sound blaster 128, a voodoo3 and a radeon, fast ata, scan doubler/flicker fixer (yes i know, why?) cf card reader etc, etc, and what can i do with all this stuff? use it as a day to day machine? not a chance.
i play whdload games and some RTG games, the reason i wanted the 060 was because i can and to help save time while rendering scenes in Imagine. but how many people want to do rendering on an old slow machine these days?
Justin
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i don't want people to get the wrong idea here, i am not down on this, i love my miggy and i enjoy using/repairing it daily, but it is a hobby machine nothing more nothing less.
the Amiga is dead, long live the Amiga!!!
the Amiga is dead, long live the Amiga!!!
i don't want people to get the wrong idea here, i am not down on this, i love my miggy and i enjoy using/repairing it daily, but it is a hobby machine nothing more nothing less.
the Amiga is dead, long live the Amiga!!!
+1!
one machine i have is a very similar setup,and yes i do use it for rendering sometimes,playing mp3's watching avi's (no not clips)
sure it has limits,so why would anyone be interested in natami? (for instance)when/if it comes out it will be 10 years out of date,dont believe me? ok this so called super aga wont be any better than rtg systems on hardware "already" in use on gfx cards through software on an 060.because it's the same cpu(although i dont really want to go down the natami route its just for comparison)
and then theres the x1000........so little for so much nuff said really,im not impressed.
then theres the fpga's.say the minimig for instance,its a ecs a500 at what 28mhz from what i can see.
ok ,to round up the amiga is never going to be state of the art is it? way too long in development when anything comes out its overpriced,underpowered,or doesent happen at all.(its been like this for over 15 years accept it.i have)
what do i use mine for? anything i want to,with anything that works on it,and everyone else should do as well.
*Gives Amigakit lots of moollah*
Hehe, Wish it was that easy. But i'd love to see a new 060 accelerator, and maybe by that time I have a second A1200 to put it into for my Son (He's started to ask why he hasn't got an A1200 like mine, I think he is seeing the difference between the insides of his A600 and my A1200 hehehe!).
Hehe, Wish it was that easy. But i'd love to see a new 060 accelerator, and maybe by that time I have a second A1200 to put it into for my Son (He's started to ask why he hasn't got an A1200 like mine, I think he is seeing the difference between the insides of his A600 and my A1200 hehehe!).
I think Justin summed it up best 
- that's *exactly* what I feel about my miggies
- that's *exactly* what I feel about my miggies 
I have to say, the negativity from a few people on here is as expected and prolific as it always is in threads like these. 
The fact that so many hardware and software alternatives exist at all means that there is still some interest in this old collection of systems.
Also, that any developers at all are still bringing out hardware and software with an Amiga flavour supports that assertion too.
If you're no longer interested, Ok, if you have come to accept that you think the Amiga is dead, fine too. I don't think many would argue too hard with you there. But that doesn't mean that there is no reason for development and discussion from other people.
If there is demand, someone may match it, if there isn't then they won't.
If there is enthusiasm and passion, then who knows what may come of it. I for one would never have seen a MiniMig coming 15 years ago.
The fact that so many hardware and software alternatives exist at all means that there is still some interest in this old collection of systems.
Also, that any developers at all are still bringing out hardware and software with an Amiga flavour supports that assertion too.
If you're no longer interested, Ok, if you have come to accept that you think the Amiga is dead, fine too. I don't think many would argue too hard with you there. But that doesn't mean that there is no reason for development and discussion from other people.
If there is demand, someone may match it, if there isn't then they won't.
If there is enthusiasm and passion, then who knows what may come of it. I for one would never have seen a MiniMig coming 15 years ago.
Thanks Phil,
I knew I had set myself up for some grief with is thread but Amigakit have offered a service to the community and I just think if we turn them down , then what next? Reduced investment in an already long forgotten area of computing. Accelerators don't last forever and already cost a premium.
I'd love to see an 060 for £150 but it won't happen , maybe double it but if a bundle of these are sold, then the question comes - where is the software for it ? ... And hopefully people make some!
Well it was just an idea anyway...
I knew I had set myself up for some grief with is thread but Amigakit have offered a service to the community and I just think if we turn them down , then what next? Reduced investment in an already long forgotten area of computing. Accelerators don't last forever and already cost a premium.
I'd love to see an 060 for £150 but it won't happen , maybe double it but if a bundle of these are sold, then the question comes - where is the software for it ? ... And hopefully people make some!
Well it was just an idea anyway...
Ed.D
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Would there be enough spare 060's around the world to furnish a fresh batch of accelerators? Just asking, not being negative or incinerate there aren't enough 
Some time in the past there was supposed to be an Amiga on a PCI card. Not sure if it ever got released.
With C= at the Amiga helm again I wonder if that idea could be revisited but perhaps have all our favorite chipsets on a card in the FPGA? format or whatever it is and plug into one of the future Amiga range from C= or for that matter a PC, Mac, Linux etc.
The Classic still has it's place. It's old and it's classic and it's just nice to play around with and not just for games either; there are still music and graphics enthusiasts using the old HW/SW combination.
Some time in the past there was supposed to be an Amiga on a PCI card. Not sure if it ever got released.
With C= at the Amiga helm again I wonder if that idea could be revisited but perhaps have all our favorite chipsets on a card in the FPGA? format or whatever it is and plug into one of the future Amiga range from C= or for that matter a PC, Mac, Linux etc.
The Classic still has it's place. It's old and it's classic and it's just nice to play around with and not just for games either; there are still music and graphics enthusiasts using the old HW/SW combination.
Would there be enough spare 060's around the world to furnish a fresh batch of accelerators? Just asking, not being negative or incinerate there aren't enough
That is one of the major stumbling blocks to the idea, I don't think there is enough stock of this particular CPU, but then I only had a cursory look on Google, I'm not plumbed into the market as much as others.
I would absolutley love to have an 060 in my A1200, I know that a new card is not going to encourage new SW developement but 060 cards are getting rarer and rarer, surely another 400 out in the wild can't do anything but good.
For me it has always been the cost that is prohibitve, but if (big if) Amigakit went ahead with it, would it be possible to have an option to pay monthly while the card is being developed? Thus paying it in more managable amounts and also showing that we really do want the card rather than just expressing interest. This way it could also help to fund the developement and prove that we really do want the card (putting our money where our mouths are)?
Just a thought, prolly not viable but there you go.
For me it has always been the cost that is prohibitve, but if (big if) Amigakit went ahead with it, would it be possible to have an option to pay monthly while the card is being developed? Thus paying it in more managable amounts and also showing that we really do want the card rather than just expressing interest. This way it could also help to fund the developement and prove that we really do want the card (putting our money where our mouths are)?
Just a thought, prolly not viable but there you go.
dont get me wrong,i would love a 060 based card.thats not a problem.
i dont really want to see a new amiga to be honest,its not a negetive post unless someone takes it that way.
its personal choice isent it? i like the old hardware, the minimig IS an a500 from 15 years ago.thats the comparison.
but.......here me out,you would have to make a choice.
a "whole" new amiga OR expansions for the old one.
i just dont want branches of the same machine on fpga.
i dont really want to see a new amiga to be honest,its not a negetive post unless someone takes it that way.
its personal choice isent it? i like the old hardware, the minimig IS an a500 from 15 years ago.thats the comparison.
but.......here me out,you would have to make a choice.
a "whole" new amiga OR expansions for the old one.
i just dont want branches of the same machine on fpga.
I think they would have to be licensed to provide a credit arrangement to do that. However, a deposit, would be another thing altogether.
Say if the card cost (random number generator on) £280, a deposit of £80-£100, 4 months prior to release would gaurantee your order and give you a bit of time to save up.
Kickstarter.com?
There are ways of funding something like this, providing someone has all the design and implementation bits covered...
There are ways of funding something like this, providing someone has all the design and implementation bits covered...
or even a re-work of the older card designs maybe? as an idea/concept.
alot of the older card designs where based on the 040 cards anyway,and have an option to buy one as an 040 card and get it "converted" at a later date as a cost cutting feature.(040's are alot cheaper than 060's as we know)by having the cpu in a socket with appropriete settings/components on-board(with settings printed clearly in a manual so the user could simply plug and play)
then re-work the older design to be able to accept at least 128-256mb of ram(in so-dimm format for space saving on the card)or so they could supply there own(as long as the manufacturer claerly says what dimm's would be compatible)
having a socket on board has advantages,not having the memory soldered to the board leaves space under the socket for other components as the pga socket has a large foot print on the card itself 46mm by 46mm(a new card still has to fit in the space of the old one,say a 1200 is 100mm by 140mm approx(the a3-4000 has alot more room for parts)
replace the scsi for sata for newer drives and supply a couple of setup disks.(timing separate to the cpu)
and fit the card with a small amount of flash memory for configuration and the like.
although peaple may or maynot be comfortable with such a thing,i would take this option if i couldent afford the card at the higher configuration.(then it could be altered at a later date)
ok its not an easy prospect,but it would make it cheaper in the long run and help get a wider audience.(also having everything soldered onboard makes it "un-upgradable" but make it more obtainable)
alot of the older card designs where based on the 040 cards anyway,and have an option to buy one as an 040 card and get it "converted" at a later date as a cost cutting feature.(040's are alot cheaper than 060's as we know)by having the cpu in a socket with appropriete settings/components on-board(with settings printed clearly in a manual so the user could simply plug and play)
then re-work the older design to be able to accept at least 128-256mb of ram(in so-dimm format for space saving on the card)or so they could supply there own(as long as the manufacturer claerly says what dimm's would be compatible)
having a socket on board has advantages,not having the memory soldered to the board leaves space under the socket for other components as the pga socket has a large foot print on the card itself 46mm by 46mm(a new card still has to fit in the space of the old one,say a 1200 is 100mm by 140mm approx(the a3-4000 has alot more room for parts)
replace the scsi for sata for newer drives and supply a couple of setup disks.(timing separate to the cpu)
and fit the card with a small amount of flash memory for configuration and the like.
although peaple may or maynot be comfortable with such a thing,i would take this option if i couldent afford the card at the higher configuration.(then it could be altered at a later date)
ok its not an easy prospect,but it would make it cheaper in the long run and help get a wider audience.(also having everything soldered onboard makes it "un-upgradable" but make it more obtainable)
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