Norton

[FOL]

Nothing wrong norton.

To be clear: I was not ranting about their ability to block viruses. I have never tried their service. I was ranting about their immoral business practises and the fact that they are happy to find loopholes that allow them to legally break the law.

However, since I need to be able to trust my virus protector, and so need to be able to trust the company that supplies it, I would never use a virus protector created by a company that are happy to go against the law. And I would advise other people likewise.

Fair enough, but this happens with any worldwide company with multiple branches / offices. They all share data between each other. So you could argue no data is safe.

Think you will find its more about covering their own a**e. You cant know everyone you have working for you.
Its a shame the world has turned out like this, where you have to second guess everything you do. Just to cover your a**e.

 

[Paul]

Fair enough, but this happens with any worldwide company with multiple branches / offices.

Really???????? Can you name one other company that openly states that they will use loopholes to let them break the law in the country they are operating in?????????????

 

[Monkeh]

Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft - first 3 that spring to mind with a similar clause in the EULA you sign up for...

The fact the company is telling you isn't because they are using loopholes to break the law, they are following our law correctly by telling you where they will be storing your data which is a requirement under the Data Protection Act.

 

[Paul]

Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft

Could you post a link or a quote.

 

[Monkeh]

Nintendo:

http://ms.nintendo-europe.com/terms/3ds/3DS_Shop_EULA/Shop_EULA_GB.html

In particular, you agree that
• we may collect technical information related to your Nintendo 3DS System such as IP address, MAC address, serial number, etc. and information about the way you use the Nintendo 3DS Services such as play and purchase history, etc. (see Article 3.2.1. );
• we may collect your name (first and last name), your address, email address and birth date if you choose to open a Shop Account;
• we use the collected information for commercial analysis and for marketing and market research purposes, so that we can optimise our products and services, tailor our products and services to satisfy your requirements and customise the advertising and offers displayed in the Shopping Service to satisfy your requirements;
• we share the information collected about you with Nintendo Co. Ltd., Nintendo’s parent company located in Japan (please note that Japan provides for a lower data protection level than the European Economic Area, although your information will always be treated securely in accordance with this Privacy Policy) and Nintendo of America Inc., an affiliated company located in the United States adhering to the “Safe Harbour Principles”;
• if you ever link your Shop Account to your Nintendo Club Account, we link all information collected in connection with your Nintendo Club Account to the information collected in relation to your Shop Account and we can use the linked information in accordance with this Privacy Policy.

Sony:

http://safeharbor.export.gov/companyinfo.aspx?id=19360

Microsoft:

http://safeharbor.export.gov/companyinfo.aspx?id=19225

 

[Paul]

Monkeh, I think you are misunderstanding my point. I am not whining about the collection/sharing of data, yeah everyone does that, it is unavoidable. I was commenting on the fact that when they do this, Norton do it in a way that deliberately flouts the law, and they consider themselves so much above the law that they post in their T&C the fact that they deliberately use loopholes to get round the law. That is what I find disgusting. I don't know of any other company who has this blatant a disregard for the law, even the companies you quote from stop short of this!

In fact, in your quote Nintendo state that they don't try to flout the law:

please note that Japan provides for a lower data protection level than the European Economic Area, although your information will always be treated securely in accordance with this Privacy Policy) and Nintendo of America Inc., an affiliated company located in the United States adhering to the “Safe Harbour Principles"

 

[Monkeh]

Not misunderstanding you at all - how is:

Your Feedback, together with your name and any contact information provided by You, will be held as confidential by Symantec, and may be transferred to the Symantec group in the United States or other countries that may have less protective data protection laws than the region in which You are situated (including the European Union)

Any actual difference from what Nintendo say except its worded differently and Nintendo name Japan as a country with lower DPA levels rather than leave it open?

 

[Paul]

That company I agree is as bad as Norton. However, as to your statement that this is the same as Nintendo: please note the embolded bits in my last post (if you read my post from the notification email the board sent you it may not have been in there, I changed the post a bit right after posting, so look at the actual post).

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Whoops, just realised that you were quoting my quote from Norton, I thought that was another company you had found. In which case the same applies except for my comment "That company I agree is as bad as Norton" since they are Norton!